DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WITH DEMOCRACY AND THREE URGENT PLEAS

 

DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WITH DEMOCRACY AND THREE URGENT PLEAS

Sheila Parks, Ed.D.

Democracy. Who used to have it in the USA, and who has it now? People with white skin privilege?  People who were born male?  People with piles of money, much of it stolen from other people’s labor?

I often hear European Americans from all walks of life talking about democracy in the USA – how they want to reclaim it, like in the good old days – and I wonder about how differently from one another we experience this country.  This is not our land; not my land nor your land. When European Americans arrived over 500 years ago, we murdered with bullets and small pox blankets – that we intentionally gave to them – the Indigenous people who had lived in balance here for thousands of years. Then we enslaved people of African descent to build the country’s wealth, and kept women – who did not even get the vote until 1920 – second class citizens and the property of men for even longer.

The United States government is not a shining light. We never have been, and we are not now. While it was never really good for too many people, what has changed here in the USA is that it has gotten worse, not better. Our own elections system is now a corporate-controlled charade, with big money pulling all the strings and using electronic voting machines to rig the elections. And as we pretend to spread ”democracy” all over the world, what we are really spreading is a devastating complex of illegal, immoral wars, both here and abroad.

When our children and grandchildren ask me what I am doing in this crucial time to stop our government from murdering people at home and abroad, I want to be able to tell them that I am doing everything I possibly can to get democracy in this country for all the people, for the first time ever, and to end these brutal behaviors everywhere.  Don’t you?

Clicking and sending emails and online petitions against the myriad, devastating problems facing us now is fine as far as it goes.  But half-measures avail us nothing. Pleading with the people who make and then carry out the murderous policies of the USA government is time wasting at best and ridiculous at worst.  Yes, we did get to keep some funding for Planned Parenthood, through an Amazonian effort.

We here in the USA need to follow and emulate the examples of the people in Tunisia, Egypt and Wisconsin. The people of Tunisia and Egypt non-violently resisted immoral and murderous governments, and they won. Tunisia has ruled that there must be equal numbers of women and men who are candidates in their upcoming July election. Egypt is still in process and we look especially to what they do about women’s rights.  Juan Cole and Shahin Cole have written a wonderful article:  “An Arab Spring for Women”.

During the Mubarak reign of terror, Egypt used to count its ballots by hand, a close Egyptian friend has told me.  Everyone knew those elections were rigged, she added. That means that when we suggest to the Egyptian people that they continue to hand-count their votes now, but with very different protocols, to safeguard the counting and election, we have a different job ahead of us from demanding that here in the USA we hand-count all the ballots.

The Organization for Security Cooperation in Europe, OSCE, wrote recently about helping Tunisia with “free and fair elections.”  Part of OSCE’s mandate is fair elections. The OSCE site has this unbelievable final report summary on the 2004 USA presidential election that they were invited to observe; OSCE thought the election was fine. The assistance of OSCE for Tunisia might not be so helpful.

Wisconsin must continue the magnificent uprising it has begun against the corrupt politicians who are attacking unions, the middle class, and women’s rights.

However, Wisconsonites, please take heed: Doing recalls on hackable electronic voting machines, the same machines that put in office those you are trying now to recall, is not such a good strategy (see more below).  I have been involved in the current wave of Voting Rights since the 2000 presidential election in Florida.  I have observed two hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) recounts in real time.  I have also observed several HCPB elections in real time, and have written about these elections and other voting rights issues.  These papers can be found on the web site of the non-profit organization I founded Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots.  The site has much information on it about the hacking of the machines by researchers and computer experts, documents in favor of hand-counted paper ballots elections, and other related topics.

FIRST URGENT PLEA:  We here in the USA must non-violently resist our immoral and murderous government: with direct action, civil disobedience, civil resistance.

Immoral wars abroad against Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and supporting Israel in its wars against Gaza.

Immoral war at home against women and our bodies.  Some still think that other issues need all our attention now and these are “only” women’s rights that we can attend to after all the other important rights are fixed. The savage attempted and successful attacks on women’s bodies by governors and both national and local legislatures feel like rabid dogs relentlessly biting us.  Do you read Feministing, Angry Black Woman, Feministe,  Ms.?

Immoral war at home against people of color.  More African Americans are in prison now in the USA than there were in South Africa during all of Apartheid.  See Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness. (1) Ask any of these inmates languishing in our vast prison complex – mostly on non-violent drug charges – how democracy works for them.  Have you read Charles Ogletree, The Presumption of Guilt: The Arrest of Henry Louis Gates, Jr. And Race, Class and Crime in America? Ogletree includes stories of 100 African American men and shows how “race trumps class”. (2)  Do you know that our prisons are now increasingly privatized, and that Dick Cheney is one of those making so much money on them?

Immoral war against Native Americans. Trapped on reservations plagued with poverty, alcoholism, drug abuse and record levels of suicide; Leonard Peltier has been languishing in prison since 1977, with a release date of perhaps 2040. “….how the Bill of Rights failed….Choke on your blue white and scarlet hypocrisy….” sings Buffy Sainte-Marie in My Country ‘Tis Of Thy People You’re Dying.

Immoral nuclear power plants. Building more of them is still on Obama’s agenda, even after Fukushima, now called worse then Chernobyl, despite the corporate media whiteout of the radiation now contaminating the water, soil and air across the globe. Do you know that Exelon, major nuclear power plant operator, was one of the highest contributors to Obama, both in Illinois when he was Senator and when he ran for the White House?  Do you know that Representative Edward Markey, Democrat from Massachusetts, a high ranking and supposedly good player about nuclear power plants, has introduced legislation asking for new, better and safer nuclear power plants, rather than no more nukes, no more weapons of mass destruction?

Immoral war against the climate and the planet itself. As the climate crisis reaches its tipping point, the corporate government hides its ostrich head in the sand while cutting back on investment in sustainable, renewable energy, like sun and wind power.

Immoral war against LGBT people.  Many suicides by LGBT youth and attacks and murders of LGBT people shine a bright light on the homophobia and heterosexism of our society. LGBT people still cannot marry in most states and the armed forces saga continues. There has never been enough money spent for AIDS research.

Immoral war against whistleblower Bradley Manning. After months of torture at Quantico, he is finally being moved to Leavenworth, a medium security prison. The army says the move had nothing to do with public pressure.  Clicking and sending helped here.

Immoral war against our food supply with Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO’s) that are not even labeled.  We have a right to know exactly what is in the food we eat. GMO’s have known health risks, “including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, faulty insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system.” GMO’s are also dangerous to the environment. “Up to 90% of U.S. soybeans, corn, cotton, canola, and sugar beets are now genetically engineered and routinely inserted into human and animal foods with no labels or safety testing.”  See Organic Consumers Association, Millions Against Monsanto and Institute for Genetic Responsibility GMO Basics.  And the latest crime against us: USDA now moves to let Monsanto do its own studies. Eat organic.

Immoral wars against most of its people. Now the government is at war with most of its people in all ways, except the ultra rich.

If I have left out your favorite screams and/or weeps, I apologize in advance. These are mine; I could have gone on and on.

SECOND URGENT PLEA:   Please pay attention to those of us who educate,  write, investigate, litigate, legislate and talk about the rigging of our elections by all electronic voting machines.

The putsch with electronic voting machines is a more devious way of murdering us.  There are two major kinds of electronic voting machines: Direct Recording Electronic (DRE’s / Touchscreens) and optical scan (op scans or opti scans) voting machines. My friend and colleague, Lucius Chiaraviglio, has most aptly renamed then “op scams.” All computer systems can be manipulated without detection, and so amount to an illegal, hidden ballot count. Do you know that our elections are owned and operated by a privatized voting machine industry?

The mess in Wisconsin now for the Supreme Court election has once again put vote counting and our elections in the spotlight.  My friend and colleague, Victoria Collier, has published a significant paper on the subject at www.votescam.org.  (Again, see below for more information.)

Rigging, tinkering with or manipulating elections is a bi-partisan equal opportunity. Republicans and Democrats are involved:

Republicans:

- Florida, 2000. Kathleen Harris, Secretary of State, with strong ties to the Republican party. See The Brooks Brothers Riot, where paid Republican operatives, pretending to be ordinary voters, tried to stop the recount in Florida.

- Florida, 2000. See David Barstow and Don Van Nata, Jr., How Bush Took Florida:  Mining the Overseas Absentee Vote. (3)

-  Georgia, 2002. Paraplegic liberal and popular Democratic Senator Max Cleland loses in an “upset victory” to conservative Republican Saxby Chambliss, as reported by Bev Harris in Black Box Voting, noting that there were six Georgia contests in which Republicans “won upset victories”.

-  Ohio, 2004. Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State, with strong ties to the Republican Party, promises to deliver Ohio to Bush. See John Conyers, What Went Wrong in Ohio. (4) Conyers argues that many of the problems in Ohio involved Blackwell taking a major role in “intentional misconduct and illegal behavior.”

- Wisconsin, 2011. The election for a seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court was won by Republican incumbent Justice David Prosser by 7,316 votes. The difference is small enough between Prosser and challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg, to allow a recount. On April 19, 2011, the Independent candidate, JoAnne Kloppenburg who lost, asked for a statewide recount. She asked for a hand-count of ballots only in some districts, to be determined by working with the Government Accountability Board (G.A.B.) Brad Blog has noted that recount protocol in Wisconsin allows only for a recount by the same machines that were used in the election, unless there is a court order for a hand-counted recount.  Because some of the jurisdictions would have required erasing the memory cards from the election in order to make room for the data from the recount, Dane County Circuit Judge Richard Niess ordered a hand-recount in 31 counties, including another 14 municipalities in Milwaukee County and 34 municipalities in Waukesha County.  Both Prosser and Kloppenburg went along with this. Here is an interesting description of what the recount will look like.  From Voting News, there is more information about the Wisconsin Recount, here and here.  Recount begins 4/27, 9AM.

A huge standing ovation to Kloppenburg for her courage, for standing strong and for her refusal to cede and cave a la Gore, Kerry, and Coakley in Massachusetts. And some possible perils: By now there is no secure chain of custody of the ballots and ballot boxes (if there ever was one) and that will present very serious problems for an honest recount.  Not only must she do a statewide recount, but also she must use the same methods for the recount across the whole state (which is not going to happen, alas), or she could perhaps be in the same fix as Al Gore was in Florida, 2000. See Bush, et al. vs. Gore, et al. (5) and Paul Lehto, J.D. on Bush v. Gore.  And the entire recount must be done by hand, (which both sides have already agreed not to do, another alas), or else the ballots will be passed through the same op scan machines that were used the first time and could have been rigged then, and could be rigged in the recount. Then there are the DRE’s that cannot be recounted, just the same results printed again from the same machines.  I hope she will have her team take pictures of each and every ballot, whether recounted by hand or op scans. Of course there are no ballots for the DRE’s, so there can be no pictures.  You can send an email to the Kloppenburg Campaign: Campaign@Kloppenburgforjustice.com

Democrats:

- Why did Al Gore not protest the Supreme Court appointment of George W. Bush as the next president? As he rolled over without a fight, he stated, “…And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession….”. What unity? What democracy? With an appointment to the presidency in a political vote by the Supreme Court of the United States?  See also Jeffrey Toobin, The Nine: Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court. (6)

- Why did Obama, in his acceptance speech in Chicago, proudly talk about the elder woman, a former slave of African descent, who put her finger out and touched the screen for his name? He knew the dangers thereof; he has been contacted by scores of voting rights activists, as has Clinton, et al.  “….And this year, in this election, she touched her finger to a screen, and cast her vote, because after 106 years in America, through the best of times and the darkest of hours, she knows how America can change….”

- Was Obama’a statement a prelude to Hillary Clinton asking India to help newly born Egypt with its elections? India uses paperless Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs), the worst possible technology, though an Election Commission is now calling for a “paper trail of votes cast.”

THIRD URGENT PLEA: We need secure hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) elections now.

That each of our votes is counted as cast is the bedrock of democracy. Voting rights are the rights that all our other rights stand on. We need more organizations to take a stand for totally transparent, secure hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) elections, where we are not asked to “trust” the results.

At The Center For Hand-Counted Paper Ballots, you can learn how several jurisdictions in the United States hand-count their votes. These are observations I made in real time of hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) elections. Scroll especially down to Acton, Maine. This could be a model for the whole country.

Vote Rescue, in Texas, founded by Vickie Karp and Karen Renick, is the only other organization dedicated solely to hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) elections, with no fall back position or compromise they are willing to make for political motives.

The following are some necessary elements of secure hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) elections:

- Hand-counting is done for all races and initiatives, not only federal.
- The hand-counting process will be easily understood by a fifth grade student.
- No precinct is larger than 1000 registered voters.
- Hand-counting is done at each precinct, immediately after the polls close.
- Poll books of voters checking in and poll books of voters checking out must exactly match.
- Get rid of all e-poll books.
- The number of ballots counted must exactly match the number of ballots distributed. .
- The number of ballots printed must match  the  number of ballots distributed, voted, and not voted
-  No absentee ballots will be allowed, except for people in dire need and these ballots must be accounted for, managed, and counted in a procedure that is yet to be written.
- Hand-counting is done by teams of opposing parties on the ballot, chosen by
the parties themselves.
- Other smaller parties can also be on hand-counting teams, in addition to those opposing parties on the ballots – e.g. Greens.
- Hand-counting is done by new people coming in to count, not those who have been working at the polls all day.
- Hand-counters are paid a very good hourly rate. This not only pays for one of the most important jobs in a democracy, but also keeps the money in the community and is far less expensive than buying, maintaining, upgrading and storing electronic voting machines.
- Hand-counting is done in full view of the public.
-Hand-counting is done twice and the results must match.
- Hand-counting is videotaped by any member of the public who want to do so,  while it is being done and also by official videographers, one from each opposing parties on the ballot.
- Hand-counting results are posted at the precinct, in the windows, after the counting
so that all can see easily after polls close.
- No electronic voting machines, computers, or modems of any kind are allowed in any part of the hand-count.
- The Vote-PAD provides a means for people with disabilities to mark a ballot without requiring the use of electronic voting machines. It is essential to the enfranchisement of people with disabilities, that they do not use electronic ballot marking devices (such as the AutoMARK) which are frequently marketed to assist people with disabilities. The AutoMark can steal votes just like any other electronic voting machine. In personal correspondence with Ellen Theisen, on May 1 and 2, 2011, Theisen said, “Vote-PAD is no longer available, except in the 22 WI municipalities that purchased it and are currently using it….It provides the same paper ballot for people with disabilities as the ballot for others, and then all [ballots] are hand-counted together.” See Vote-PAD rocks the disabled vote.”
- The hand-count, which has been done twice, will be the official count of the election from each precinct.
- This section on chain of custody and security of the ballots and ballot boxes is a work in progress.
- Ballot and Ballot Box Transportation & Ballot Storage (last two sections) by Doug Jones gives many details of how to secure the ballots and their boxes
- See more details of security of ballots and their boxes by Sheila Parks.  Scroll down to third paragraph from the end
- Ballot boxes will be of clear plastic with a lock on each of the four corners. These boxes will be kept in full view of the election officials and the public at all times, from before the official opening time of the polls until the official election results are posted in the windows of each precinct.
- The locks on the ballot boxes will have two keys only, that is, one key will open two of the locks and another key will open the other two locks.
- There will be only one key for each of the two keys above. There will be no copies of keys.
- A Republican election official will hold one key and a Democrat election official will hold the other key.
- The ballot boxes will not be opened until all votes have been cast and the polls are
closed.
- The ballot boxes will be opened in full view of the public.
- After the votes are hand-counted, the ballots will be placed in steel containers with seals on them.
- A secure chain of custody for the ballots and ballot boxes must be written from the precinct level to where they will be stored.

Furthermore, there are several problems with our voting process, not only that our votes are not counted as cast, because of the fraud and error associated with all electronic voting machines, but also, that even if these problems were all fixed, the electronic voting machines would continue to rig our elections. And even if we had secure hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB) elections, the problems listed below would still exist. Our voting system is a hydra-headed weapon of mass destruction:

- Suppression of the votes of students, low income people, African Americans, Latinas, elders.
- A whiteout of the news from any candidates the corporate media does not want to be elected.
- A whiteout of the news from the corporate media of any of the fraud and rigging that voting rights activists have been pointing out and writing about at least since Florida 2000 presidential race.
- Corrupt election officials who run our elections and have strong past and present ties to the right wing of the Republican Party.
- Corrupt and/or incompetent voting election officials from both Democratic and Republican parties, and most likely all the other parties too.
- Endless corporate money into coffers of candidates.
- Requiring of voter ID photos, which are issued only by the state, e.g., Department of Motor Vehicles, in order to vote.
- Absentee ballots, with both parties increasingly calling for more.
-  Mail-in voting
- The election of two senators from each state means, e.g., that the voters in North Dakota and Vermont have an influence that is hugely disproportionate to voters in California.

April 15, 2011, as the House passed the brutal 2012 Budget Resolution on Friday, April  “….During the debate, nine protesters were removed from the House gallery. Sitting in various parts of the visitors’ chambers, the protesters, mostly young men and women, would stand up one-by-one and ad lib lyrics to the “Star Spangled Banner” and “We Shall Overcome….”

April 21, 2011 at a breakfast with Obama, some of his donors sang a song to him about Bradley Manning, before they were ushered out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uhKYQo5AqQ

April 2011. The arrest of young, pregnant women and young mothers, students at Catherine Ferguson School in Detroit, Michigan.  The students and one teacher were arrested for protesting the closing of their school, as they were sitting in the library and refusing to leave the building. The police were not gentle. The direct action takes part toward the end of the whole segment, but the entire video, by Rachel Maddow, is well worth watching. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/42725827#42725827

April 27, 2011 at Hancock Air Base near Syracuse, NY, Thirty-seven arrested as they protest use of Drones.

Imagine if we were to go to all the legislatures, local and national, all events where officials gather, and wherever there is injustice – and let the gangsters and mobsters there who are robbing and murdering not only us, but also at least seven generations after us, know that we are there not only watching them but also resisting in real time.  We must heal our country and our beloved and beautiful planet Earth.

END NOTES

1  The New Press, New York and London, 2010.

2   Palgrave MacMillan, 2010.

3  The New York Times, pp. A1, A17, A18, July 15, 2001.

4  What Went Wrong in Ohio: The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election.  Paper.  Academy Chicago Publishers.

5  531 U.S. 98 (2000).

6  Anchor Books, A Division of Random House, Inc., New York, paper, 2008.  Prologue, pp 1-9; PART TWO, Chapters 11, 12, 13, pp. 165-208.

Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
Founder, Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
www.handcountedpaperballots.org

Thanks to Bev Harris, Jean Weber, Lucius Chiaraviglio, Marguerite Rosenthal, Michael Collins, Paul Lehto, Victoria Collier.

The author is totally responsible for the text as well as any errors in it.

This article may be reproduced in whole or part with attribution of authorship and a link to this article.  Copyright April 27, 2011, Sheila Parks.


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  • http://myspace.com/4merlyknownasken Ken_Sayers

    It appears that we are not separated by many degrees, also not in our thinking. How can I help. BTW, I showed the county registrar of Gwinnett County (Atlanta) Georgia, the Princeton video and then asked her about changing the touchscreens. She informed me her Touchscreens work just fine… Seriously, how can I help?

  • SheilaParks

    Ken, thank you so much for your response. I don’t think I got notified of it, you can help me change my settings so that I do get notified of comments, but not right now. I really need help too. I need to go out now.More later.

    Best

  • Bob F

    It occurred to me, recently, that by the Libertarian/Ayn Rand definition of “freedom” that is held by an increasingly large number of our “leaders”, the African slaves were indeed free, because they were free from government interference in their lives. They were merely under obligation to the wealthy “job creators.”

    (Of course, the absurdity is the claim that if you are free of government, then you are very free indeed.)

  • http://myspace.com/4merlyknownasken Ken_Sayers

    Free of Government. What a concept. It reminds me of something a patient of mine once said. “I feel so good, I don’t think I need my medication anymore.” After the defund the DOT, are they going to complain when their bridges collapse. After they defund the EPA, what is going to happen when the smog is so bad they cannot go outside? They probably do not remember that time. Deficit spending on steroids (Bush era) is bad, but it is a necessary fiscal policy tool (Obama ‘s Stimulus) for priming the economy. The only problem with the stimulus was that it was not big enough. I can only say I am glad I won’t be around when they need the Medicare they are trying to get rid of, I just heard a guy on NPR who has worked all his life. Got laid off. He can document 2,300 job applications. He is now out of benefits and resents the tax breaks. He had been a Republican till he lost it all. Oh well, shit happens.

  • http://fubarandgrill.org Mark E. Smith

    Well done, Sheila.

    I do have to quibble with the part about the locks and keys for the ballot boxes. The ballot boxes do have to be transparent and kept in full view at all times.

    But there really is no way to ensure that a corrupt locksmith doesn’t make extra keys, and giving keys to a Democrat and a Republican accomplishes nothing whatsoever, as both major parties collaborate to maintain the two-party lock on US politics, and, as your article illustrates, both parties have rigged elections before and could easily collaborate to do so again.

    If the ballot boxes are transparent and kept in full public view at all times, the locks shouldn’t be important. But there are local tyrannies, such as the precinct inspector who denied my legal right to observe at the polling place in 2006, or the Registrar of Voters who had Jim March arrested for attempting to see the monitor during the vote count when it was supposed to be visible to the public viewing area but had been placed so that nobody could see it, and similar cases of elections officials denying public rights to observe.

    Much of this is moot as many districts are moving to mail-in votes and there is no way to keep that process transparent. The public has no way to know if all mailed in ballots were received or if some got lost in the mail, no way to ensure that those ballots aren’t tampered with by elections officials as they sit in the office between the time they’re delivered and the time they’re counted, and here in San Diego I recall when the Registrar conveniently “forgot” to notify the official observers when the mail-in ballots were counted, so there were no observers at all.

    The problem is deeper than just the electoral process. In Bush v. Gore 2000, the Supreme Court found that our Constitution does not guarantee any right for the popular vote to be counted. In other words, US citizens have the right to vote if states grant them that right, but no right in federal elections for their votes to be counted at all, no less counted accurately. Of what use is an uncounted vote? And does anyone seriously think that the entrenched power systems would allow a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing the right to have our votes counted?

    As you know, Sheila, after many years of attempting to find ways to reform the electoral process, I began to understand that it is our Constitution that needs reform before any electoral reforms could be effective. Having open, honest, accurate vote counts is a waste of time if the Supreme Court can simply discard those results on any pretext whatsoever, nullify the election, and install the President of their own choice. But even Constitutional reform would not be sufficient, because our Constitution vested supreme power in a Supreme Court rather than in the hands of the people (as would be the case in a democracy or a republic). Having an unelected Supreme Court with the power to make decisions which, no matter how unprecedented, illogical, or even insane (slaves are 3/5 persons and corporations are full persons?), cannot be appealed, is incompatible with the very definition of a democratic form of government.

    When corporations spend billions of dollars funding the campaigns of both major political parties, it is clear that no matter who wins, nothing will change. I became an election boycott advocate after realizing that as long as people are willing to vote in elections that don’t offer any real choices, there is no incentive for the powers that be to allow genuine elections that do offer real choices.

    Your incomplete list of atrocities perpetrated by both major parties against us, our environment, our food supply, and other aspects of our lives, is the reason that most people want change. But our Constitution was written to ensure that those who owned the country would always rule it, so until and unless we get a new Constitution that is written by and for the people rather than by and for the wealthy elites, no real change is possible.

    Thank you for your tireless efforts on behalf of democracy.

  • Bob F

    Mark,

    Even amending the Constitution wouldn’t be enough. Remember that the Supreme Court’s power to set aside laws is itself an assumed power, not in the Constitution.

    There is an assumption in the design of our system that all or nearly all participants are people of good will and a certain attitude toward and respect for a democratic republic. The system utterly falls apart when a significant portion of the participants in our government simply seek power, or seek to deny power to others.

    I’m not sure that our system ever was working well, but we certainly see in recent years the effect of that single-minded power-seeking on the fabric of government. No constitution is self-executing–it requires people who want to work together in a cooperative society, in which all participants share in power. One of the side effects of wealth concentration is the temptation and then opportunity for doing the same with political power. Thus we really can’t do anything about restoring democratic governance with such a tremendous inequality of wealth.

    There are a lot of things that need to be fixed, but certainly elections are a fundamental, and must be done right.

  • http://myspace.com/4merlyknownasken Ken_Sayers

    How nicely condescending of you both(?). So loved all your defeatist criticisms. I especially liked your “incomplete list of atrocities.” They almost read as if you two were the same person I have read so many times before. Bob Mark, how much are you paid to write this stuff?

  • Bob F

    thanks for the constructive criticism, Ken!

  • http://myspace.com/4merlyknownasken Ken_Sayers

    Always a pleasure. : )

  • http://fubarandgrill.org Mark E. Smith

    Ken, if you think an argument is defeatist, name it, say why you think it is defeatist, and refute it with logical arguments of your own.

    Ad hominem attacks on the attitudes of others just because you can’t refute their arguments, are the sign of a typical paid political party operative.

    The stimulus didn’t help the economy but not because it wasn’t big enough. Had those trillions been used to create jobs and to help people keep their homes, our economy would have improved. Instead, the bulk of those trillions went to the same corrupt banksters who had wrecked our economy, who used the money for yacht parties and executive bonuses, so all the stimulus did was widen the already obscene income disparity between the peasants and the plutocracy.

    The exact same type of deregulation and favoritism towards the rich was responsible for the Great Depression, and repeating failed policies is as defeatist as you can get.

    The people who are paid are the spin doctors whose job is to put a rosy, positivist, deceptive spin on failed policies to con people into repeating them.

    It was the author who wrote, “If I have left out your favorite screams and/or weeps, I apologize in advance. These are mine; I could have gone on and on.” If you think that the list of atrocities wasn’t incomplete, your argument is with Sheila Parks, not with me. If you think that something on the list of our government’s immoral actions isn’t an atrocity, name it and say why.

    Speak to the issues. Calling other people names is infantile and has no place in a political forum–the corporate backers of the major political parties will spend billions of dollars on smears and personal attacks during the election campaign, so you don’t need to help them.

    Sheila’s second and third urgent pleas are both critical and must be remedied before voting can be of any practical use whatsoever, but having accurate vote counts won’t eliminate the need for the first urgent plea, for direct action, as long as our votes don’t have to be counted and we are not allowed a direct vote on the important issues and are limited to voting for a choice of corporate-funded representatives to make those choices without either consulting us or allowing our opinions to influence their policy decisions.

    Our Constitution prohibits us from voting directly for President and Vice-President, thus ensuring that the plutocracy can overrrule the will of the people whenever it sees fit. We have no right of recall at the federal level, so we cannot hold our eleclted federal officials accountable during their terms of office, which is the only time that they are supposed to represent their constituents. Without the ability to hold them accountable at the time they are in positions of power, we cannot exercise our will through them but can only petition them the way subjects can petition any tyrant–the same way that our Founders futilely petitioned King George. If we can’t exercise our will through our elected representatives, we are not living in a republic, no less a democracy. It’s a sham. And putting a positive spin on it doesn’t make it any less of a sham.

  • http://myspace.com/4merlyknownasken Ken_Sayers

    “The stimulus didn’t help the economy but not because it wasn’t big enough. Had those trillions been used to create jobs and to help people keep their homes, our economy would have improved. Instead, the bulk of those trillions went to the same corrupt banksters who had wrecked our economy, who used the money for yacht parties and executive bonuses, so all the stimulus did was widen the already obscene income disparity between the peasants and the plutocracy.”

    Do not confuse TARP funds set up bu Bush with the Obama Stimulus funds. The Stimulus funds were poorly dispensed by the states. There were no trillions wasted by Obama as you indicate.

    Re the “failed policies” I could not agree more. Could you help me with a way to get the GOP to find a new song to sing?

    “Sheila’s second and third urgent pleas are both critical and must be remedied before voting can be of any practical use whatsoever, but having accurate vote counts won’t eliminate the need for the first urgent plea, for direct action, as long as our votes don’t have to be counted and we are not allowed a direct vote on the important issues and are limited to voting for a choice of corporate-funded representatives to make those choices without either consulting us or allowing our opinions to influence their policy decisions.

    The above paragraph appears to me to be a large, not quite run-on sentence, subject/verb required. Could you please rework it so that I might respond.

    “We have no right of recall at the federal level, so we cannot hold our eleclted federal officials accountable during their terms of office, which is the only time that they are supposed to represent their constituents.”

    Actually, there are 18 states that do provide for the recall of a U.S. Comgress(wo)man. You are right about not being able to recall a President. I am sure your last paragraph will make more sense when you straighten out the problems in the preceding one.

    Inuendos aside, if you could consolidate your third, forth and fifth paragraphs it would also be helpful. To go on in one paragraph only to call it moot in the next paragraph distracts my simple mind. As for name calling, if I did that, I apologize. That was never my intent. I only meant that I found your tone irritating. I also apologize to Sheila. I never intended to hijack her page. I love your article, btw, Sheila.

  • http://fubarandgrill.org Mark E. Smith

    Don’t blame Obama? If I’m a parent and I want my kids to have necessary school supplies, do I buy them the school supplies, or do I give the money to the kids to spend with no restrictions on how they spend it? If I choose the latter method and the kids buy games and candy instead of school supplies, who’s to blame?

    As for blaming the Republicans for failed policies, the Congressional Democrats voted for everything Bush wanted during his eight years in office, and then continued and expanded the same policies when the Democrats were a majority in Congress and with a Democratic President.

    Your criticism of my tone and my writing style have nothing to do with the issues. The real issues are unverifiable elections, a lack of accountability in government, and that votes to delegate power to corporate-funded decision-makers, rather than to decide issues directly, do not constitute a voice in government.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Dear All,

    Thx so much for reading and responding. I have been away for a few days and have not read your comments yet. I will and I will reply.

    Best

    Sheila

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Ken, thx for responding and sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I will be in touch about your help, which we need. Bests

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Hi Bob, nice to see you here. Thx for reading and writing. Ayn Rand was a Russian Jew. God knows how she came to her horrible writing and stuff.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    BTW, I think she was on welfare when she died. So much for her walking her talk, which – for me – unless people do, I do not care what they say and write.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    That is what it takes, to know what it is like not to have money. All these rich Republicans do not get it at all about anything. Feh. Neither do many of the rich Democrats

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Hi Mark,

    It has been a very long time. I hope you are well, as well as one can be in these times. Thx so much for your kind words about me and the article. I am also coming, or have already come, to the point where I know they have stolen our elections, and they are not going to give them back to us. Yes, having the SCOTUS put a president in place was an unbelievable abomination. And Gore stood idly by. Was , therefore, complicit in the theft.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    I feel like I missed an email somewhere here. Mark, I am not sure of what Ken said that you are responding to. At any rate, I like your names – the peasants and the plutocracy. We NEVER were a democracy. Never. Ever. On paper is worthess, if it was even there.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    There never was democracy here. Bob, please, tell me when there was democracy here – unless you were a rich straight white man. I guess I did not make the beginning of my paper strong enough, or clear enough alas.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Ken, I do not understand what you are saying here.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Ken, thank you so much for saying you love my article. That means so much to me.

  • http://handcountedpaperballots.org Sheila Parks

    Sorry, dear all, that it has taken me so long to reply. I wanted to be able to read all that was written here and with care. I wish the tone were more loving. Disagreements don’t bother me, but I wish we could do it more lovingly. I am so glad you all were interested enough in the article to respond and discuss. Warmest regards.

  • SheilaParks

    I have tried for a long time earlier today, with the help of Ken Sayers, to make a correction internally to my paper. I could not do so – yet, I hope. So I am putting the correction here: Both Lucius Chiaraviglio and Amy Bookbinder pointed out to me that to use an AutoMark for people with disabilities to vote was totally wrong, and I totally agree with them. Therefore, in the list of necessary components for a secure HCPB election, I am taking out the AutoMark statement completely and instead putting this one in (here for now and in the article as soon as I can get in to edit); Sorry for the confusion: ” – The Vote-PAD provides a means for people with disabilities to mark a ballot without requiring the use of electronic voting machines. It is essential to the enfranchisement
    of people with disabilities, that they do not use electronic ballot marking devices (such as the AutoMARK) which are frequently marketed to assist people with disabilities. The AutoMark can steal votes just like any other electronic voting machine. In personal correspondence with Ellen Theisen, on May 1 and 2, 2011, Theisen said, “Vote-PAD is no longer available, except in the 22 WI municipalities that purchased it and are currently using it….It provides the same paper ballot for people with disabilities as the ballot for others, and then all [ballots] are hand-counted together.” See Vote-PAD rocks the disabled vote.”

  • SheilaParks

    Don’t ask me, because I have no idea – but I tried again a few minutes ago and was able to make the correction inside the article, thank goodness.

  • Bob F

    Must I agree with you on every nuance–especially interpretation of history? Frequently one talks about restoration of ideals, as if they once were realized, even if they were never realized. It’s rhetoric. A restoration of an ideal is not the same as a recreation of all details. I’m not calling for candle light and buggy whips, either.

  • Bob F

    Does Vote-PAD address ALL the disabilities covered by the AutoMark?

  • SheilaParks

    Yes. I have a pdf from Ellen Thiesen telling how Vote-PAD works, but could not post here. I will send it to your email.

  • SheilaParks

    Bob, I do not understand what you are saying. Please, can you say it a different way? THX

  • Bob F

    I think of “democracy” more as a direction than a destination. We took a great step in that direction in 1920, and likewise in 1965. Many state legislatures are taking big steps in the other direction (the direction of fascism) this year.

  • SheilaParks

    Bob, there is no reply for your last comment, so am replying here. I like that – thinking of democracy as a direction, not a destination, and I agree with the two dates you give. But for me, our beginnings(murdering Native Americans and then slavery, and then all the wars and on and on and on ) were so evil and immoral and so in the other direction, to use your wording, that the journey can never be realized as it stands then or now. from these beginnings and continuations.

  • Jeff

    This HCPB is a proposal whose time has come.From Presidential to local level, elections need to be transparent and monitored by the people, not corporations.Voting machines are not trustworthy,and neither are the administrators of said machines.

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